Cloth Diapers: Follow Up

February 22, 2013

It’s been a while since we talked cloth diapers! Things have changed quite a bit, and we have a good groove going. I can now say that I LOVE cloth diapering – something I really didn’t expect to happen!

With my old set (foreshadowing to something new…), I tried sunning them. This helped a ton with the staining, but not as much with the stink. What did finally fix my stink problem was getting rid of the Rockin’ Green detergent and switching to Tide Ultra Powdered as so many cloth diapering moms recommended (along with Padded Tush Stats, a great resource).

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I left these guys out there for 2 whole days and there was some improvement, but switching the detergents really made a big difference.

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Out of curiosity, I started researching all the different kinds of cloth diapers and ended up buying two all-in-ones to see how they worked:

Bumgenius Freetime and the Thirsties Duo AIO

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The Thirsties one has just a thick pouch in the middle. I like the design a lot and the fit was great, but it took a lot longer to dry than my other diapers, which I saw as a major drawback, and we had a few leaks.

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The Freetimes have two flaps that fold over one another in the middle. They flap open in the laundry and wash + dry very easily. It’s also made of stay-dry material. They fit really well and we have had almost NO LEAKS since switching. This was a huge improvement from leaks multiple times a day and a sign we finally found a diaper that fits our baby well.

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I LOVE the all in ones!!! Unlike the pockets, you don’t have to touch the inside of the dirty diaper during diaper changes. This was a huge negative for me – so gross not just because you have to touch it but because it was sort of hard to maneuver. You just put the whole thing in the wet bag just like a disposable. Also, at laundry time there was no stuffing what-so-ever. I am a total AIO convert!

Since falling in love with the Freetimes, I discovered a Facebook group to buy/sell/trade cloth diapers. (Search for it on Facebook – there are a handful of different ones). Through this group, I was able to buy a great collection of Freetimes at discounted prices. A few were used, a few barely used and a few brand new. They were all about 25% off. Great deals! I spent about $200 on our stash, which I am really pleased with considering the use we’re getting out of them.

I gifted some of my stash of pocket diapers to some friends who wanted them and gave a handful to Goodwill. I’m sure those who love pockets will get great use out of them.

We now have 21 Freetimes that I wash every other day. I always have some to spare on laundry day too. Laundry is no big deal because I have a detergent that works and much less stuffing to do. And cloth diaper laundry is just sort of fun. Just look at that rainbow!

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We are now one big happy fluffy family : )

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1 Ashley L. February 22, 2013 at 9:30 am

I love bumgenius! We are 4.0 users and have not tried freetime yet. I have a few elementals and, like you, found the drying process really long. I really like the pockets because I can adjust the fluff. I will have to try a freetime because we are traveling in April and an AIO would be a bit easier.

Have you tried Best Bottoms? They are another favorite of mine.

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2 KERF February 22, 2013 at 9:45 am

I think the Elementals take long to dry because they don’t have the flaps. I haven’t tried Best Bottoms, but others have recommended. I wanted to have a whole collection of the same diaper rather than a bunch of different brands, so I think we’re probably set for a while

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3 Carolyn March 5, 2013 at 3:19 am

The Freetimes really are awesome! I like them so much more than the Elementals – because of the way the inserts are each unattached at one end, I find it easier to add more absorbency (the Elemental always confused me, where could I put my hemp inserts? You want hemp BEHIND a faster absorbing material, but there’s no room under the sewn down layer!) And the Freetime dries so much faster because it’s microfiber instead of organic cotton (which could be a negative for some people, but really does make it a faster diaper, it seems!) They’re really worth trying if you need an AIO!

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4 TeresaM February 22, 2013 at 9:42 am

Would you recommend starting with the AIOs if we’re switching from disposables? I was leaning towards pockets since they are usually cheaper, but it seems like the AIO would be easier to use.

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5 KERF February 22, 2013 at 9:44 am

Yes absolutely!

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6 Nicole February 22, 2013 at 9:57 am

Glad you love the Freetimes! Those are the ones we use, too. We picked them because they’re basically like the disposables, only cloth. Plus they were $5 cheaper than the Elementals. We have 25 of them, and that number seems to work really well. We had to switch from a nanny to daycare, and after a good demo, they’ve figured out how to work with them too.

We did have some overnight leaks, but I found by folding the flaps in a different configuration (more absorption in front now that she sleeps on her tummy), leaks are minimized/nonexistent. When we traveled during the holidays, we used disposables, which I HATED. Poonami every.single.time. We’ll travel with the cloth from now on.

Right now I’m dealing with some stubborn stains on just a few. We use the Rock in Green- I haven’t had any smell issues with it yet. I do find I need to do an extra rinse to get softer diapers, but that’s prolly because I use a touch too much detergent. One thing I’ve noticed is how pilly they already seem to be. Not sure if that’s how I’m washing them or how cloth tends to be. I hope these last through a second baby!

For people who are looking to start cloth but are overwhelmed by the cost, check and see if a local store that carries cloth diapers hosts a diaper swap. There’s a store in my city that has one twice a year. People bring their gently used diapers to sell in addition to other baby items like carriers. I picked up my (unused) breast pump there for only $75!

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7 Ellen February 22, 2013 at 10:51 pm

I use biokleen bac- out and so far so good fo stains and stink! Just spray it on before putting it in the laundry bin

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8 Julie H. of Spinach and Sprinkles February 22, 2013 at 9:57 am

I got Best Bottoms for Jackson….. was planning on having cloth diapering down before my maternity leave was up- then our baby boy was a smidgen (okay, a lot) too small for them……. We’re just now getting to use them because he’s finally big enough!
I love that if it’s just wet all I have to do is take out the snaps and don’t dirty a whole diaper- only if the liner is soiled do I need to change the whole thing—- so much easier than pockets & inserts. All in one is the way to go for this family!

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9 Abby February 22, 2013 at 2:47 pm

Love, love best bottoms! I have 2 kiddos using them right now. Good for you for figuring out a system hat works for you and your family!

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10 Sarah February 22, 2013 at 10:05 am

I’m glad you’ve found a setup that works for you, from the right diapers to the right detergent. There are so many options out there – it’s great when people find what works for their particular family.

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11 Janine February 22, 2013 at 11:27 am

I don’t think you’ve started Mazen on solids yet, but once you do, my favourite diapering accessory is a diaper sprayer or bidet sprayer that hooks up onto the toilet. You spray the poop right off into the toilet and flush. It’s really easy and clean.

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12 KERF February 22, 2013 at 12:58 pm

Cool, thanks! Do you prefer that to the liners?

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13 Janine February 22, 2013 at 1:07 pm

In the style of diaper we use (Sandy’s Motherease)- liners (washable or disposable) are optional and we have never found them necessary. Regardless, I would imagine you will find that you will want to rinse soiled liners (unless they are disposable of course) once he starts on solids, the sprayer would work for that too.

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14 KERF February 22, 2013 at 1:11 pm

They are disposable ones. Maybe it’s because I’m used to the massive blowouts of breastmilk poop, but I feel like the spraying is going to be so messy! Do you find it not to be that bad? Maybe I’ll see if there’s a you tube video of it : )

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15 Janine February 22, 2013 at 1:19 pm

Wait until you see what the stools are like once he’s on solids. Every babe is very different, but even with fairly loose stool, it works well for us. I’m sure there’s a video somewhere.

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16 The Robertsons of Mumbai February 23, 2013 at 9:06 pm

I’m using the spray on my 4 month old’s cloth diapers (no solid food yet). We live in Thailand where ALL toilets have sprayers (Thais do not use toilet paper – only the sprayer), so we didn’t have to install anything. To avoid spray mess: (1) – Hold the diaper down in the toilet as much as possible (will depend on how much standing water you have in your bowl), and (2) adjust spray strength accordingly (there is a little valve/knob on ours which controls how much water comes through the pipe, therefore how much spray power you get). We use that sprayer for all kinds of things. Will be installing sprayers for all our toilets in the future, where ever we live!

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17 Heather February 25, 2013 at 9:12 am

We love the sprayer too, but I’m opposite. Once our baby started solids, her poop is typically more solid and can pretty much be shaken into the toilet. I also use the Bummis disposable liners for when we are out and about. But be careful with the liners, they are not flushable with our personal septic system. I’ve read that with industrial toilets they are fine, so I tend to save them for when we are not at home.

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18 Kym February 27, 2013 at 1:53 am

I’ve been spraying my 3.5 month olds prefolds + BumGenius 4.0s since the start (breastfed poop). I find it less gross to put into the wetbag when I’ve gotten the yuck off first, and I like to think it makes for less stains overall. I also like the idea of not putting gobs and gobs of poop into my washer, water soluble or not, haha. Kind of looking forward to having less runny poop to spray down! But it hasn’t been a big deal.

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19 Lauri Watson February 28, 2013 at 7:57 pm

I hated the diaper sprayer. Flying poop, no thanks! I sold it as soon as I bought it….

But some people love them. I prefer the disposable liners, which I wash and reuse if she only peed on them. If you do plan to buy a sprayer or disposable liners, keep your eyes open in the co-op group. They have great prices on those (I think the sprayers were $17 and the liners are $4 or $5 for 100 sheets) I bought a 6 pack of liners off amazon for a good price (~$30 I think) :)

I’m glad you found a system that works for you! And TIDE made everything SO much easier. One detergent for the WHOLE household!! All that stress over using the ‘proper’ laundry detergent and we ended up back at Tide. Sheesh.

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20 KERF February 28, 2013 at 9:03 pm

What are your favorite liners? They are washable?

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21 Lauri Watson March 1, 2013 at 8:05 am

I use to throw them all away, and then I read somewhere that people were reusing the ones that were only peed on by washing them with their diapers! Duh!

I’ve tried 3-4 different brands of liners, some hold up better in the wash than others and some are softer than others. Some are a little bigger and I have to fold them a little. But they all do the trick.

I just order these off Amazon. Likes: Perfect fit inside the diaper (no folding), cheaper than others, soft. Dislikes: Don’t wash very well, I can usually get 1 more use out of them but they start to disintegrate after 1 wash.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0036QV93C/ref=oh_details_o01_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

And these from Target. Likes: Wash VERY well, can probably wash 2-3 times without any issues. Fit nice in the diaper, good price. Dislikes: Not as soft (They get softer after washing though!)
http://www.target.com/p/mabu-baby-eco-diaper-liners/-/A-13942153

I’ve tried the bummis ones too. Likes: wash well, soft. Dislikes: I bought the large and had to fold them a little, never tried the smalls. Kinda pricey.
http://www.modernclothdiapers.com/Bummis-Bio-Soft-Flushable-Liners_p_23.html

Grovia has good reviews as well, but never used them.

You can also buy reusable liners, I have a set of these and they hold up pretty well. However, if a poo is really… peanut buttery, it is a PAIN to clean them off (For us, this has only happened a few times, usually it ‘plops’ right off). http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002QZ64T8/ref=oh_details_o03_s00_i02?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Lastly, you can also buy a yard of MICRO fleece and cut them into liners. I use these in my covers and like them a lot. Very cheap (~5-6 bucks/yard and I got ~30 liners), so if one gets messy you can throw them out. I had some leaking u=issues w/ them in my pockets (Others say they work great), so that is why I don’t use them exclusively, just in covers. I would definitely recommend seeing if these work for you as it is the most economical, and you can usually find a pretty color, Miss B’s are pink :)

Sorry for the novel, lots of options out there!

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22 KERF March 1, 2013 at 8:38 am

Thanks!

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23 Kristi February 22, 2013 at 11:35 am

I searched fb but all of the groups seem to be in Canada. I bought a barely used BG 4.0 stash on ebay – 18 for $200. So far I love them and don’t find stuffing or unstuffing the insert to be that big of a deal. I wash my hands after every diaper change anyway. Also I find if you wait to unstuff them on laundry day then its not as messy. My only complaint is my stash came with quite a few white/noodle colored diapers and they are so boring compared to the awesome colors!! I love the teal and red…may have to add a couple Freetimes to the stash!

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24 Josie February 23, 2013 at 12:58 pm

I don’t unstuff mine before washing. I have pockets & the inserts just come out in the washer and I can just stuff them after they’re all dried. It saves a step & my sanity!

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25 Kristi February 25, 2013 at 10:30 am

Actually a few of mine were unintentionally unstuffed last wash day and the inserts were just balled up in the diaper and didn’t agitate out! I didn’t notice a smell and dried them anyway but I don’t think they could get fully clean if they don’t shake out. Probably has something to do with the difference in washing machines but it would definitely be nice not to have to unstuff!

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26 Kym February 27, 2013 at 1:57 am

I’m not really understanding how it’s messy to unstuff it at the time you put it in the wet bag? I just pull the flap back by pulling on the outside of the cover, that exposes the insert, and I just barely grab it by the edge and pull it while holding onto the waistband of the cover by the snaps. Comes right out, fingers haven’t touched hardly a thing, and I wash my hands every change anyway. This works even with poopy diapers.

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27 KERF February 27, 2013 at 2:47 pm

I found huge poopy blowouts to be hard to deal with without “spilling,” especially with cloth wipes balanced on top. Add to that the need to pull something from the inside out, and poop can spill off the edges, get on hands, sleeves, etc. I just found it way messier than I thought it would be – for poop diapers. Wet ones weren’t bad at all. I always wash my hands after a diaper change too, but before I could do that, I had to get a clean diaper on, his clothes back on and M to a safe spot, and that is all done with dirty hands if you’ve already taken out the insert and/or touched it by accident. I also found it hard to keep a hand on M while doing it. Another option was to leave the dirty diaper and then finish with him and go back to it, but that flow just didn’t work as well for us. With the AIOs, I just fold everything up from the clean outside and dump into the wet bag with one hand – other hand on the baby. Just a much cleaner process. It’s minor, but when you change 10 diapers a day…

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28 Kym February 27, 2013 at 2:57 pm

Ah yeah, I see what you mean. My flow is to pull it off him, fold it onto itself (so that its the same shape as when on him), and put it in a corner of the changing pad. I get him cleaned, changed, and in his crib, then take the diaper to the bathroom to deal with (it’s where our wet bag is). Definitely could not do it while at the changing pad with squirmy baby.

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29 KERF February 27, 2013 at 2:58 pm

Yeah, I think it’s just about what systems you have in place!

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30 Lauri Watson February 28, 2013 at 7:59 pm

Diapers with double openings on both sides don’t have to be unstuffed, the inserts agitate out on their own during the pre-rinse ;)

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31 Kristina February 22, 2013 at 12:43 pm

How are you folding the freetimes for Mazen? We have the freetimes too for our son that is 5 months but I find them really bulky in between his legs.

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32 KERF February 22, 2013 at 12:58 pm

I just put the flaps flat – one on top of the other.

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33 Shel@PeachyPalate February 22, 2013 at 2:25 pm

Seriously love that your using cloth! My mum tried it with me when I was a baby…nearly 25 years ago now and said it was nightmare but man how they have changed..at least from what I’m told!

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34 Averie @ Averie Cooks February 22, 2013 at 2:36 pm

Glad you found your perfect diaper! Based on what works for mom and what works for baby, it takes awhile to nail but when you do find the right kind….it’s diaper nirvana. I used to save so much money by going onto diaperswappers dot com It used to be like the FB group you described. Buy, sell and trade. I used to get more excited about buying cute diapers than shoes or just about anything else!

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35 Lindsay February 22, 2013 at 2:44 pm

Cloth diapering is such a journey! We have one of the bumgenius elements with velcro and I like it okay but E is so petite that it doesn’t fit her that well. We fell in love with Applecheeks and I really like Charlie Banana and Fuzzibuns. I need to do a cloth diaper update myself!

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36 Robin @ The Balanced Life February 22, 2013 at 4:26 pm

Thanks for sharing! I’m due with my first in May and attempting to get set up in the cloth diaper world. I was leaning toward Bumgenius AIO’s to get started. Do you know the difference between Bumgenius Elemental and Freetimes?

And thanks for the facebook tip! Going to check that out :)

Robin

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37 KERF February 22, 2013 at 4:42 pm

Elementals are organic and more expensive. They also have a built in strip kind of like the Thirsties Duo in this post whereas the Freetimes have the flaps that are microfiber and “stay dry.” I haven’t tried the Elementals, but I know some people love them.

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38 Jess February 23, 2013 at 4:22 pm

Hi Robin,
Just saw your comment and wanted to chime in. We just jumped into cloth diapering and I’ve been doing some research and trying different diapers out. Lots of trial and error! Like Kath said, the Elemental is organic and a little more expensive. It takes longer to dry than the Freetime, but one thing I really love about it is that the Elemental is trimmer. I’ve tried both and I think they’re both equal in terms of absorbency. One thing though, bumGenius JUST introduced a new version of the Elemental. This one is supposed to be even trimmer and dry faster but I am skeptical about absorbency.

Hope this helps!

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39 Alexandra February 22, 2013 at 5:09 pm

I’m so happy to hear that you switched. We’ve been using 12 AIOs and 12 pockets from the beginning and haven’t had any issues. I do prefer our AIOs though, I am not a fan of unstuffing pockets either. We have 12 Bumgenius 4.0 pocket diapers and 12 Annie Marie Padorie AIOs. The AIOs were actually cheaper than the pockets so in hindsight I wish I would have gone all AIO. I read a similar post to yours about Rockin Green detergent issues this week. We use a Canadian brand called Nellie’s All Natural Laundry Soda and it works amazing and is so cost effective. I use it for all of our clothes now. Good for you for sticking with cloth diapering and finding a solution that works for your family!

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40 Haily Foytik February 22, 2013 at 5:14 pm

I. ADORE. my. freetimes. love love love. I wish my whole stash was them

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41 Lisa February 22, 2013 at 9:37 pm

Yay! It’s great when you find a system that works!

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42 Ellen February 22, 2013 at 11:00 pm

When I started cloth my cousin directed me to this site: http://www.pinstripesandpolkadots.com/basics.htm
It has great info and resources for cloth diaper questions. Love it! And I replied to someone’s post but just in case, biokleen bac- out has been great for avoiding stains and stink in my diapers so far. I just spray after I change my little man and stick it in the bin! So easy!

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43 Allison k February 24, 2013 at 6:53 am

What did you figure out for a night time solution? Do you add extra absorbency?
I also reco a sprayer instead of liners. Liners seem wasteful and not cost effective (two of the points of cloth) to me. Maybe I’m wrong, as I know ppl love them.

As for the poop, of course it’s diff than bmilk poop, but most times it’s pretty non messy for us, much more solid. Not all of the time of course. Ha!

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44 Sarah Crowder (punctuated with food) February 24, 2013 at 4:59 pm

I’m with Allison and like the sprayer better for the same reasons. I was scared of what his poop would be like when he started solids, but I actually like it better. The more solid it is, the easier it is to clean up! It pretty much just plops in the toilet now and I just do a little spray to reduce staining.

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45 KERF February 24, 2013 at 10:05 pm

Plopping is good : ) Spraying (i.e. breastmilk) can be scary!

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46 Nicole B February 25, 2013 at 2:01 pm

Off topic…you have such a beautiful house and yard.

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47 Elizabeth February 25, 2013 at 5:42 pm

Thanks for the update cloth diaper post.

I really want to love Best Bottoms (AI2…a PUL cover with snap in hemp or microfiber inserts), but I will have to wait until my LO is here and I can see what works best for him/her. I feel really lucky to live in a city with some GREAT cloth diaper stores, so I’ll have lots of options to look at in person and some have good refund policies if the particular diaper doesn’t work for you.

Thanks for discussing the downside of the messiness in non-AIO diapers. I had never thought about that before. Definitely something to consider before buying a big stash of one type of diapers!

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48 Danielle February 26, 2013 at 11:13 am

We used a cloth diaper service with our daughter until she was 1 year-old. If ever there be a next time, I totally want to use bum genius! Those were just becoming popular when my daughter was about 6 mos. Makes for a soft dupa! :P

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49 Tracy February 26, 2013 at 5:29 pm

I can’t believe I’m the only one who uses prefolds and fitteds! It took a minute to get the hang of, but I love them, and prefolds fit even the tiniest newborn. They’re also very cost-efficient, which us why I chose them. I used disposables with my 7 y/o, but this time (my LO is 9wks) I really wanted to use cloth. Knowing this was our last baby AND not having a very big budget, we decided on Osocozy prefolds and I also bought a stash of used newborn fitteds from a friend, and some bigger fitteds from Green Mountain. I just this week added 4 Fuzzibunz OS pocket diapers for night time use. We’ve also been using Charlie’s soap from day one and love it! It’s great that there are so many options out there to suit everyone!

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50 Kym February 27, 2013 at 2:05 am

So glad you found a cloth diaper solution that worked for you! We used prefolds for the newborn stage, and had been waiting for him to move up big enough for his BumGenius 4.0s. He started wearing them a month ago, and they are AWESOME!!! I was actually feeling a little bummed when we finished the newborn prefolds that I hadn’t just done all prefolds, because drying is insanely easy (can’t put the BG covers in the dryer and they take longer to dry than the Thirsties covers that are nothing more than PUL) and they were so much cheaper, but when I started using the BGs…man! I LOVE them!! I also love that when he pees, he doesn’t need a diaper right.that.very.second. the way he did with prefolds. We have 14 BG 4.0s and 12 size small prefolds, which I had bought before he was born to bridge the gap between newborn prefolds and BGs, and it works kind of nicely because I can use the prefolds when I think it will be only pee, for the easiest cleanup, and while waiting for BG covers to dry if I didn’t time the laundry well. I liked the idea of pockets when I was buying them because it meant I could stick the insert in the dryer vs line-drying (indoors, I have no yard), and I could customize the absorption (we add a newborn absorbency layer for overnight), but was worried about the inconvenience of stuffing them after I got them and prepped. Turns out, I just stuff them while he is playing on his play mat, and it hardly takes me any time at all. I also don’t have any issues taking the liners out after they’ve been used (even poopy) – I commented on another comment with the way I take them out. So, I’m satisfied with my pockets. Doesn’t BumGenius make a quality product? Love it!

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51 michell March 6, 2013 at 9:04 pm

I am so glad you did this follow up! I have been so torn about trying out cloth for my little girl on the way… I really wanted to go the cloth route for all the obvious reasons and benefits, but was so overwhelmed and confused with all the different kinds that I sort of just gave up, but something like this is EXACTLY what I was hoping for! I ordered a handful yesterday now I can’t wait to try them out when she gets here and gets big enough for them… Thank you so much! Crossing my fingers they work as well for us as they have for you (and as they seem too from reviews every where!)

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52 Brenda March 6, 2013 at 10:28 pm

We’re 14 months into cloth diapering, and I still love it! I’m glad you are having a positive experience as well. Thanks for sharing it with us!

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53 Kristi April 23, 2013 at 4:05 pm

Hi Kath, coming back to an old post here – weren’t you using Oxyclean at one point also? I had been using Charlie’s unaware of the ammonia burn issue and now am thinking of switching to Tide. Also would you mind sharing your exact laundry process? I looove cloth diapering but don’t love stinky diapers (after washing!) Thanks!

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54 KERF April 23, 2013 at 8:34 pm

I haven’t been using the oxiclean and things are going well. I put the diapers in with 1 half scoop of tide (up to the 2) and put them on the heavy duty setting of my washer followed by an extra rinse at the end. So far, so good!

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55 Kristi April 24, 2013 at 8:43 am

Thanks!

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56 Sarah May 20, 2013 at 9:34 am

Hi Kath – I know this is an old post. My son is 2 months younger than Mazen. I am curious what snap setting you have your diapers on for Mazen right now? I have some Freetimes and some 4.0s and I can tell that the rise on the Freetimes is lower. I have heard some people say that their babies grew out of them before potty trained. I’m wondering if I should just invest in more 4.0s because they run bigger.

Also – are you using disposeables at night? We’ve had leaks with the freetimes at night.

Thanks!

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57 KERF May 20, 2013 at 10:11 am

We have them on the middle snap setting. It is a pretty low rise, but we haven’t had any leak trouble at all. Yes, we use Huggie’s Overnights for night

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